REFLECTOR:Presidential TFR

[John Dibble]

So how big (and high) is the "big" ring.  I asked the briefer about it when my E-W
route took me over DFW and he said I wasn't even close.

John

Scott Baker wrote:

> When Scott and I were flying N271TC from Copperstate back to Florida, I
> spoke with FSS briefers to get all of the important TFR information relating
> to our trip.  Our route took us to the north of the inner ring of the
> Presidential TFR in Texas, but inside of the "big" ring (which is activated
> when GW is home on the ranch).  The FSS briefer said that the "big" ring was
> not active, but to "be sure to ask ATC again when you get closer ... you
> never know when it might become active".  Being a good boy, I called ... (is
> it Waco Approach??) ATC when we just entered the "big" ring and asked if
> there were any changes to the TFR.  The approach controller ripped into me
> with a lecture about the importance of getting a ground briefing and that I
> was (fill in all sorts of terrible words) for asking about the status of a
> TFR when the aircraft had (by the time I completed my transmission) just
> penetrated the TFR airspace.  I didn't reply that a) I had received a
> briefing 3-hours ago, and b) I was simply following through with what the
> FSS briefer asked me to do ... call again just to make sure.  I guess ATC
> and the Secret Service take Presidential TFR's pretty seriously.  Gwad,
> that's a big hunk of Texas that's put out of air circulation when the big
> ring is activated.  How do y'all work around it?
> SB
>
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