REFLECTOR:New Velocity Marketing Slogan??
Greg Poole
reflector@tvbf.org
Mon, 5 Apr 2004 14:54:45 +1000
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Fred said;=20
"The climb and reach
altitude and level function was a complete orgasm".
Yes!!!!!...my incentive restored to get building at a furious pace while =
I'm still able!!
...to build or....
;^)
Greg in Sydney.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Fred Marconi" <fmarconi@bellsouth.net>
To: <reflector@tvbf.org>
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Gear Up
>=20
> Dear Scott B:
>=20
> Well I was a little angry about the fork. Mad Mike, before leaving =
was
> very emphatic about changing the fork, he said there was a new one, =
much
> better. I called you on this specifically and you said everything was =
fine.
> If there was a question, why did yu not call mad Mike to make sure
> everything was OK.? If not for wishing to center the wheel on the =
fork I
> would not have noticed what was happening. This is why the bolt did =
not
> turn, I spoke to you about that as well. In any event it's my fault =
for not
> reading the V-News but then again what of the clients that are not
> subscribed. Well I have read the V-News but did not pick up on this. =
On
> another note if this is such an issue as with car companies that have
> thousands upon thousands of clients, when a defect is noticed, they =
have
> knowledge of who bought what and they notify the client directly. =
There
> should have been a record of when I bought the fork and what fork and =
if
> this was such an issue to the well being of the client and the factory =
I
> should have been notified by mail. When it comes to sending me a bill =
there
> is never a delay. THAT VELOCITY KEEPS GOOD TRACK OFF.
>=20
> Scott on these issues the company need to take a greater role in
> notifying the client. YOu know how concientious I have been. Rest =
assured
> that if I would have recieved a note form Velocity on this I would =
have
> taken action. I did not hesitate to spend over $7000.00 for a new =
wing. I
> still love you, YOU ARE GREAT!
>=20
> Now on the brakes. Really these Matcos are.....Well what can I say. =
I
> mean I can land in 2500' with as little experience as I have, but the =
brakes
> do leave a lot to be desired. It Chuck is right about the Clevelands =
the
> company should not be recommending or selling the Matco's We do not =
need to
> be worried about overheating the brakes and damaging our main gear if =
there
> is a better alternative.
>=20
> On a better note, I have 0.7 hours to go for the sign off. The =
plane has
> performed beautifully. today I did alot of x-wind landings, at =
Pohokee I
> landed with a 90 degree 15-18 mile x-wing. I love how the plane =
handles. I
> love to fly this plane, it's a rush.
>=20
> I do have a problem with the s-Tec autopilot. On the roll control =
the
> plane bobs constantly from right to left. The ailerons just keep on =
going
> up and down. The oscilations are small and very anoying. Nathan had
> adjusted the ailerons slightly down, after flying the plane they as =
3/16" up
> both. I am going to tighten the cables and readjust the ailerons to a =
down
> position. What input do you have for me on this issue. The climb and =
reach
> altitude and level function was a complete orgasm.
>=20
> I practice on some high approaches on final and fast slow descent =
then
> nosing down to 100 then smoothing her in. This plane handles =
great!!!!
> Would be interesting to see how she might perform with vortex =
generators and
> fences.
>=20
> Fred
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "Scott Baker" <sbakr@comcast.net>
> To: <reflector@tvbf.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 7:27 AM
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Gear Up
>=20
>=20
> > Fred,
> > I don't think it's quite fair for anyone to criticize the =
factory
> for a
> > busted nose wheel fork if it is of the old (smaller) design. The
> factory
> > has mentioned this time after time after time in the VV that the =
old
> forks
> > should be replaced. The factory subsidized the cost of the new =
forks.
> If
> > someone is operating an old fork today - they are ignoring the =
warning
> from
> > the factory. So please don't lay blame on the factory for an =
"almost
> > mishap" when your older fork developed a crack.
> > In regards to the main wheel getting stuck on the lip at the =
bottom
> of
> > the wheel well. This was caused as you know when the main gear =
leg
> warped
> > when it became overheated after being exposed to the excessively =
hot
> heat
> > from the brakes. Overheated brakes and the problems that come =
from
> > overheated brakes has also been the subject of repeated articles =
in the
> > Velocity Views. If you ride the brakes or do repeated hard =
braking, a
> lot
> > of heat develops around the brake disk, which is then transferred =
to the
> > gear leg. Too much heat leads to a softening of the gear legs. =
And if
> > there is any stress on the gear legs when they are soft, the legs =
will
> warp
> > to relieve the stress. We need to a) understand that this =
situation is
> > possible, b) try to avoid overheating the brakes, and c) when the =
brakes
> are
> > overheated, do something about it like throwing a wet towel around =
the
> leg
> > and/or pulling the aircraft forward about 15' after it has been =
stopped
> so
> > that the pressures on the gear leg are neutralized, and lastly d) =
look
> for a
> > warped leg during the preflight, just in case a,b,and c have been
> ignored.
> > If the wheel or lower portion of the gear leg looks crooked, the
> geometry of
> > the gear has obviously changed - and therefore the clearances of =
the
> gear
> > going into the wheel well will be changed and there is a =
possibility of
> > getting wheel stuck in the well. The lip at the wheel well =
presents a
> ledge
> > where hardware can catch and hang-up when this happens - so yes, I =
agree
> > with you that not having a lip is better than having a lip - but
> eliminating
> > the lip does not eliminate the possibility of a stuck gear ... the =
tire
> > could easily wedge itself against the wheel well and the gear =
could be
> stuck
> > to the point that it might not come down. Again the root of this
> paragraph
> > was overheated brakes and warped gear legs.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > From: "Fred Marconi" <fmarconi@bellsouth.net>
> > To: <reflector@tvbf.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Gear Up
> >
> >
> > > Scott: Insurances for Velocity are provided at with a 10%
> deductible.
> > At
> > > that I felt that it was not wise to take hull coverage.
> > >
> > > Velocity has a bad record, and I have to say that this is in =
part
> the
> > > factory's fault. The initial fork that was used for the front =
wheel
> was a
> > > bad desigh. It took many accidents before they decided to =
change.
> > > Insurances did not forget this. The landing gear system can be =
better
> > > designed, the factory is slow to change, we pay the insurance =
price.
> > >
> > > I was one of the lucky ones, I cought the crack on the old =
fork
> before a
> > > mishap, I do have to thank the company for offering me a =
replacement
> for
> > the
> > > new desigh at no charge. The mains, well they got stuck on me =
and
> > > fortunatelly I had someone in the plane and we knocked them =
loose.
> The
> > > wheel got cought on the inbord lip of the strake. The camber =
had
> changed
> > 2
> > > degrees, enough to cause a problem. I removed the lip and will =
add
> the
> > > material to the skirt. This skirts need to be redisigned, they =
would
> not
> > > hear of this.
> > >
> > > Fred
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > > From: "Scott Derrick" <scott@tnstaafl.net>
> > > To: <reflector@tvbf.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 2:01 PM
> > > Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Gear Up
> > >
> > >
> > > > Don,
> > > >
> > > > What a drag!!! IN more ways than one!! Sorry for the bad =
joke,
> > > >
> > > > Having just been through a nose up landing because of a =
stuck up
> nose
> > > gear
> > > > I feel some of your pain. THough I didn't trash a prop, I'm =
still
> > > > reshaping the nose, rebuilding the nose gear doors, and =
completely
> > > > replacing the nose gear assembly so I have the latest and =
greatest
> > > > equipment.
> > > >
> > > > I don;t have in-flight insurance so I'm doig htis out of =
pocket.
> Not
> > to
> > > > bad really, but a trashed MT would have been pricey!
> > > >
> > > > Hope you figure out why it didn't lock. What year was your =
kit?
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > > > I had the main gear on my 173RGE collapse on landing this
> afternoon.
> > > At
> > > > > first glance the damage doesn't seem to be too bad. A =
ground up
> > belly
> > > and
> > > > > a trashed MT prop.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is really too soon to do much speculation as to the =
cause
> until I
> > > have
> > > > > had a chance to examine it more carefully. However, at =
this
> point
> > it
> > > > > looks as though the overcenter linkage may simply not have
> latched
> > > > > properly. I can't really say whether I had two greens on =
the
> gear
> > > lights
> > > > > or not, but I am sure that I didn't have a red light.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will report back if and when I have more definite =
information
> as
> > to
> > > what
> > > > > happened.
> > > > >
> > > > > Donald Royer
> > > > > djroyer@earthlink.net
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > To change your email address, visit
> > > http://www.tvbf.org/mailman/listinfo/reflector
> > > >
> > > > Visit the gallery! www.tvbf.org/gallery
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> > > > Check new archives: www.tvbf.org/pipermail
> > > > Check old archives:
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> > >
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> > >
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> > > Check new archives: www.tvbf.org/pipermail
> > > Check old archives:
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> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > To change your email address, visit
> http://www.tvbf.org/mailman/listinfo/reflector
> >
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> > Check new archives: www.tvbf.org/pipermail
> > Check old archives: =
http://www.tvbf.org/archives/velocity/maillist.html
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> To change your email address, visit =
http://www.tvbf.org/mailman/listinfo/reflector
>=20
> Visit the gallery! www.tvbf.org/gallery
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> Check new archives: www.tvbf.org/pipermail
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<DIV>Fred said; </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><EM>"The climb and reach<BR>altitude and level function was a =
complete=20
orgasm".<BR></EM></DIV>
<DIV>Yes!!!!!...my incentive restored to get building at a furious pace =
while=20
I'm still able!!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>...to build or....</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>;^)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Greg in Sydney.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV>From: "Fred Marconi" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:fmarconi@bellsouth.net">fmarconi@bellsouth.net</A>></DI=
V>
<DIV>To: <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</A>></DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:51 PM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Gear Up</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>> <BR>> Dear Scott B:<BR>> <BR>> =
Well I=20
was a little angry about the fork. Mad Mike, before leaving =
was<BR>>=20
very emphatic about changing the fork, he said there was a new one, =
much<BR>>=20
better. I called you on this specifically and you said everything =
was=20
fine.<BR>> If there was a question, why did yu not call mad Mike to =
make=20
sure<BR>> everything was OK.? If not for wishing to =
center the=20
wheel on the fork I<BR>> would not have noticed what was =
happening. =20
This is why the bolt did not<BR>> turn, I spoke to you about that as=20
well. In any event it's my fault for not<BR>> reading the =
V-News but=20
then again what of the clients that are not<BR>> subscribed. =
Well I=20
have read the V-News but did not pick up on this. On<BR>> =
another note=20
if this is such an issue as with car companies that have<BR>> =
thousands upon=20
thousands of clients, when a defect is noticed, they have<BR>> =
knowledge of=20
who bought what and they notify the client directly. There<BR>> =
should=20
have been a record of when I bought the fork and what fork and =
if<BR>> this=20
was such an issue to the well being of the client and the factory =
I<BR>>=20
should have been notified by mail. When it comes to sending me a =
bill=20
there<BR>> is never a delay. THAT VELOCITY KEEPS GOOD TRACK=20
OFF.<BR>> <BR>> Scott on these issues the company =
need to=20
take a greater role in<BR>> notifying the client. YOu know how=20
concientious I have been. Rest assured<BR>> that if I would =
have=20
recieved a note form Velocity on this I would have<BR>> taken =
action. I=20
did not hesitate to spend over $7000.00 for a new wing. I<BR>> =
still=20
love you, YOU ARE GREAT!<BR>> <BR>> Now on the =
brakes. Really=20
these Matcos are.....Well what can I say. I<BR>> mean I can =
land in=20
2500' with as little experience as I have, but the brakes<BR>> do =
leave a lot=20
to be desired. It Chuck is right about the Clevelands =
the<BR>>=20
company should not be recommending or selling the Matco's We do =
not need=20
to<BR>> be worried about overheating the brakes and damaging our main =
gear if=20
there<BR>> is a better alternative.<BR>> <BR>> On a =
better note,=20
I have 0.7 hours to go for the sign off. The plane has<BR>> =
performed=20
beautifully. today I did alot of x-wind landings, at Pohokee =
I<BR>>=20
landed with a 90 degree 15-18 mile x-wing. I love how the plane=20
handles. I<BR>> love to fly this plane, it's a rush.<BR>> =
<BR>>=20
I do have a problem with the s-Tec autopilot. On the =
roll=20
control the<BR>> plane bobs constantly from right to left. The =
ailerons=20
just keep on going<BR>> up and down. The oscilations are small =
and very=20
anoying. Nathan had<BR>> adjusted the ailerons slightly down, =
after=20
flying the plane they as 3/16" up<BR>> both. I am going to =
tighten the=20
cables and readjust the ailerons to a down<BR>> position. What =
input do=20
you have for me on this issue. The climb and reach<BR>> =
altitude and=20
level function was a complete orgasm.<BR>> <BR>> I practice =
on some=20
high approaches on final and fast slow descent then<BR>> nosing down =
to 100=20
then smoothing her in. This plane handles great!!!!<BR>> Would =
be=20
interesting to see how she might perform with vortex generators =
and<BR>>=20
fences.<BR>> <BR>> Fred<BR>> ----- Original =
Message -----=20
<BR>> From: "Scott Baker" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:sbakr@comcast.net">sbakr@comcast.net</A>><BR>> =
To:=20
<<A =
href=3D"mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</A>><BR>>=20
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 7:27 AM<BR>> Subject: =
Re:=20
REFLECTOR:Gear Up<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > Fred,<BR>> =
=20
> I don't think it's quite fair for anyone to =
criticize the factory<BR>> for a<BR>> > busted nose =
wheel fork=20
if it is of the old (smaller) design. The<BR>> factory<BR>> =
=20
> has mentioned this time after time after time in the VV that the=20
old<BR>> forks<BR>> > should be replaced. The =
factory=20
subsidized the cost of the new forks.<BR>> If<BR>> > =
someone is=20
operating an old fork today - they are ignoring the warning<BR>> =
from<BR>>=20
> the factory. So please don't lay blame on the factory =
for an=20
"almost<BR>> > mishap" when your older fork developed a=20
crack.<BR>> > In regards to the =
main wheel=20
getting stuck on the lip at the bottom<BR>> of<BR>> > =
the wheel=20
well. This was caused as you know when the main gear leg<BR>>=20
warped<BR>> > when it became overheated after being exposed =
to the=20
excessively hot<BR>> heat<BR>> > from the brakes. =20
Overheated brakes and the problems that come from<BR>> > =
overheated=20
brakes has also been the subject of repeated articles in the<BR>> =
>=20
Velocity Views. If you ride the brakes or do repeated hard =
braking,=20
a<BR>> lot<BR>> > of heat develops around the brake =
disk, which=20
is then transferred to the<BR>> > gear leg. Too much =
heat=20
leads to a softening of the gear legs. And if<BR>> > =
there is=20
any stress on the gear legs when they are soft, the legs will<BR>>=20
warp<BR>> > to relieve the stress. We need to a) =
understand=20
that this situation is<BR>> > possible, b) try to avoid =
overheating=20
the brakes, and c) when the brakes<BR>> are<BR>> > =
overheated,=20
do something about it like throwing a wet towel around the<BR>> =
leg<BR>>=20
> and/or pulling the aircraft forward about 15' after it has =
been=20
stopped<BR>> so<BR>> > that the pressures on the gear =
leg are=20
neutralized, and lastly d) look<BR>> for a<BR>> > warped =
leg=20
during the preflight, just in case a,b,and c have been<BR>> =
ignored.<BR>>=20
> If the wheel or lower portion of the gear leg looks crooked, =
the<BR>> geometry of<BR>> > the gear has obviously =
changed - and=20
therefore the clearances of the<BR>> gear<BR>> > going =
into the=20
wheel well will be changed and there is a possibility of<BR>> =
>=20
getting wheel stuck in the well. The lip at the wheel well =
presents=20
a<BR>> ledge<BR>> > where hardware can catch and hang-up =
when=20
this happens - so yes, I agree<BR>> > with you that not =
having a=20
lip is better than having a lip - but<BR>> eliminating<BR>> =
>=20
the lip does not eliminate the possibility of a stuck gear ... the =
tire<BR>>=20
> could easily wedge itself against the wheel well and the =
gear could=20
be<BR>> stuck<BR>> > to the point that it might not come =
down. Again the root of this<BR>> paragraph<BR>> > =
was=20
overheated brakes and warped gear legs.<BR>> ><BR>> =
>=20
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > From: "Fred Marconi" =
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:fmarconi@bellsouth.net">fmarconi@bellsouth.net</A>><BR>=
>=20
> To: <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</A>><BR>> =
>=20
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:45 AM<BR>> > Subject: Re: =
REFLECTOR:Gear Up<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> =
>=20
> Scott: Insurances for Velocity are provided at =
with a=20
10%<BR>> deductible.<BR>> > At<BR>> > > =
that I=20
felt that it was not wise to take hull coverage.<BR>> >=20
><BR>> > > Velocity has a bad record, and =
I have=20
to say that this is in part<BR>> the<BR>> > > =
factory's=20
fault. The initial fork that was used for the front wheel<BR>> =
was=20
a<BR>> > > bad desigh. It took many accidents =
before they=20
decided to change.<BR>> > > Insurances did not forget=20
this. The landing gear system can be better<BR>> > =
>=20
designed, the factory is slow to change, we pay the insurance =
price.<BR>>=20
> ><BR>> > > I was one of the =
lucky=20
ones, I cought the crack on the old fork<BR>> before a<BR>> =
>=20
> mishap, I do have to thank the company for offering me a=20
replacement<BR>> for<BR>> > the<BR>> > > =
new=20
desigh at no charge. The mains, well they got stuck on me =
and<BR>>=20
> > fortunatelly I had someone in the plane and we knocked =
them=20
loose.<BR>> The<BR>> > > wheel got cought on the =
inbord lip=20
of the strake. The camber had<BR>> changed<BR>> >=20
2<BR>> > > degrees, enough to cause a problem. I =
removed=20
the lip and will add<BR>> the<BR>> > > material to =
the=20
skirt. This skirts need to be redisigned, they would<BR>> =
not<BR>>=20
> > hear of this.<BR>> > ><BR>> =
>=20
> Fred<BR>> > ><BR>> >=20
> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> >=20
> From: "Scott Derrick" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:scott@tnstaafl.net">scott@tnstaafl.net</A>><BR>> =
>=20
> To: <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</A>><BR>> =
>=20
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 2:01 PM<BR>> =
>=20
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Gear Up<BR>> > =
><BR>>=20
> ><BR>> > > > Don,<BR>> =
=20
> > ><BR>> > > > =
What a=20
drag!!! IN more ways than one!! Sorry for the bad joke,<BR>> =
=20
> > ><BR>> > > > =
Having just=20
been through a nose up landing because of a stuck up<BR>> =
nose<BR>> =20
> > gear<BR>> > > > I feel some of =
your=20
pain. THough I didn't trash a prop, I'm still<BR>> >=20
> > reshaping the nose, rebuilding the nose gear =
doors, and=20
completely<BR>> > > > replacing the nose =
gear=20
assembly so I have the latest and greatest<BR>> > =
> =20
> equipment.<BR>> > > ><BR>> =
>=20
> > I don;t have in-flight insurance so I'm doig htis =
out of=20
pocket.<BR>> Not<BR>> > to<BR>> > =
> =20
> bad really, but a trashed MT would have been pricey!<BR>> =
>=20
> ><BR>> > > > Hope you =
figure=20
out why it didn't lock. What year was your kit?<BR>> =
>=20
> ><BR>> > > > =
Scott<BR>>=20
> > ><BR>> > > =
> >=20
I had the main gear on my 173RGE collapse on landing this<BR>>=20
afternoon.<BR>> > > At<BR>> > =
> >=20
> first glance the damage doesn't seem to be too bad. A ground =
up<BR>>=20
> belly<BR>> > > and<BR>> >=20
> > > a trashed MT prop.<BR>> >=20
> > ><BR>> > > > =
> It is=20
really too soon to do much speculation as to the cause<BR>> until =
I<BR>>=20
> > have<BR>> > > > > had =
a=20
chance to examine it more carefully. However, at this<BR>>=20
point<BR>> > it<BR>> > > > =
>=20
looks as though the overcenter linkage may simply not have<BR>>=20
latched<BR>> > > > > properly. I can't =
really=20
say whether I had two greens on the<BR>> gear<BR>> > =
>=20
lights<BR>> > > > > or not, but I am =
sure that=20
I didn't have a red light.<BR>> > > >=20
><BR>> > > > > I will report back =
if and=20
when I have more definite information<BR>> as<BR>> > =
to<BR>>=20
> > what<BR>> > > > >=20
happened.<BR>> > > > ><BR>> =
>=20
> > > Donald Royer<BR>> > =
> =20
> > <A=20
href=3D"mailto:djroyer@earthlink.net">djroyer@earthlink.net</A><BR>> =
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