REFLECTOR::Re: Aileron Rigging Frustration
Al Gietzen
reflector@tvbf.org
Sat, 3 Apr 2004 08:41:30 -0800
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Kurt;
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I went through some frustration with the rigging also, and the degree of
frustration is probably proportional to how precise and analytical we =
are.
First of all, I will guess having 2-7/16 up and 2-5/16 down is just =
fine,
and I=92d also guess that there are many V=92s flying that are about at =
that
travel. Not everybody measures that precisely, and it depends on how =
you
measure (vertically, or at the angle of the arc).
=20
The other thing is that it is probably not impossible to get the =
2-1/2=94 each
way (just barely). As you said:=20
=20
After looking at my notes, there is one more number that needs to be
mentioned on my aileron system. The distance from the inboard hinge line
(point of rotation) to the edge of the aileron (point of measure) is =
6.375"=20
=20
Since both bellcranks have 4=94 arms, the travel of the trailing edge is =
the
cable travel times the ratio 6.375/4 =3D 1.59. If the cable travel is =
1.5
each way, that gives you 2.39=94 up and down. The additional (about =
.1=94) can
be picked up because the differences in the approach angles (it is not =
90 at
the keel), and the arc length is more than the linear travel, so it does
depend a bit on how you routed the cables. I ended up with very close =
to 5=94
total aileron travel, and about 1/8 more up than down; and an approach =
angle
at the aileron bellcrank of (if I remember correctly) about 105 degrees. =
=20
Most important =96 make sure the rigging at the keel bellcrank allows =
full 3=94
travel of both cables. I did have to move one the cable bracket at the =
keel
about =BD=94 in order to get the full travel.
=20
Oh, BTW, if you were to decide to shorten the arm on the aileron =
bellcrank
to get more travel, the stick force increase is just under 10% (I=92m =
sure
you figured this) =96 probably of little consequence. =20
=20
Lengthening the keel bellcrank would not do any good because the =
limitation
is the cable travel.
=20
Best,
=20
Al=20
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: reflector-admin@tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org] On =
Behalf
Of NMFlyer1@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 7:11 AM
To: reflector@tvbf.org
Cc: brendanO@velocityaircraft.com
Subject: REFLECTOR:Re: Aileron Rigging Frustration
=20
Well, no, I have not got the ailerons rigged correctly yet, and have =
talked
with Brendan a couple times. Here's the scoop:
=20
I have the 173 Elite Model, so others may be different.=20
=20
I followed the plans in my manual and could not get 2.5" of travel (in =
fact
the maximum I could get was 2-7/16 up and 2-5/16 down). =20
=20
I was told that there should be no differential aileron (more up than =
down).
=20
I ended up getting the "new" instructions off of the Velocity Site, and =
the
instructions are Very different. Following them dictated that I buy more
aluminum and make a new set of Cable Clamp Brackets. After following the
instructions to the letter, I could still not get proper travel, so I =
called
the factory again. The response was that my approach angle (cable to =
wing
root bellcranks) has to be off. Well, 90 degrees is pretty easy to =
measure
and believe me... I have measured it at least a hundred times over the =
last
few weeks.=20
=20
Finally, out of frustration (and thinking I just may be loosing it) I =
had my
Dad check things out. He's an Engineer at Sandia National Labs, and can
figure these things out Much faster than I would be able to do. He found
some interesting things:
=20
In order to get 2.5" of up and down travel (5" total movement), you =
have to
have 3.14" of travel in the aileron cables. Since the cables have only =
3" of
travel, the maximum up/down travel possible is 4.75" (or 2-3/8 up & =
2-3/8
down). The instructions say that you can get 2.5" up/down travel out =
of a
properly rigged system, and that is impossible!=20
=20
This is based on some other things:=20
1, the bell crank at the back of the Keel has a 4" lever arm.
2, the bell cranks at the wing root also have a 4" lever arm.
3, the ratio between the bell crank turning, and the aileron =
movement is
1:1 (one to one)
I measured mine, and it is essentially 1:1.
4. The travel possible is based on zero slop in the system! It is =
the
best you will ever get.=20
5. Hope that my keel plate is correctly drilled from the factory. =
The
approach angle of the aileron cables at the keel is 82-degrees per side.
This will induce a small amount of differential in the system and =
slightly
limit total possible travel.=20
=20
Conclusion: Well, after weeks of work trying to obtain the travel =
stated
in the instructions, I am now frustrated and enlightened. It is not
possible! =20
Today I will go out and try and adjust the system to get the maximum
possible with what the factory provided me: That is 2-3/8 up/down =
travel.=20
=20
Question: those flying the 173 Elite, is that sufficient?=20
=20
Possible changes: In order to achieve more aileron travel, I have =
thought
of 3 possibilities:
=20
1, Increase the length (lever arm) of the keel bellcrank by about 3/8"
(would get more travel and more leverage)
2, Decrease the lever arm of the wing root bell cranks by about 3/8" =
would
get more travel at the aileron torque tube, but less leverage and =
therefore
stiffer ailerons). This could be done by welding the hole shut and =
drilling
a new one as hole edge distances could not be maintained by simply =
drilling
a new hole. =20
3, Get cables that have more travel than the 3" the factory provides.=20
=20
So, there is the next chapter in frustration. I will let you know the =
next
chapter soon. Basically I am no more nuts than I was before, and the
limitation is in the system.. not the builder. Whew!!=20
=20
Kurt Winker
173 FGE ... flippin flipper fiddelin'
=20
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Kurt;</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>I went through some frustration with the rigging =
also, and
the degree of frustration is probably proportional to how precise and
analytical we are. First of all, I will guess having 2-7/16 up and =
2-5/16
down is just fine, and I’d also guess that there are many =
V’s flying
that are about at that travel. Not everybody measures that =
precisely, and
it depends on how you measure (vertically, or at the angle of the =
arc).</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>The other thing is that it is probably not =
impossible to
get the 2-1/2” each way (just barely). As you said: =
</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>After looking at my notes, there is one more number =
that
needs to be mentioned on my aileron system. The distance from the =
inboard hinge
line (point of rotation) to the edge of the aileron (point of measure) =
is 6.375"
</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Since both bellcranks have 4” arms, the =
travel of
the trailing edge is the cable travel times the ratio 6.375/4 =3D 1.59. =
If
the cable travel is 1.5 each way, that gives you 2.39” up and =
down.
The additional (about .1”) can be picked up because the =
differences in
the approach angles (it is not 90 at the keel), and the arc length is =
more than
the linear travel, so it does depend a bit on how you routed the =
cables.
I ended up with very close to 5” total aileron travel, and about =
1/8 more
up than down; and an approach angle at the aileron bellcrank of (if I =
remember
correctly) about 105 degrees. </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Most important – make sure the rigging at the =
keel bellcrank
allows full 3” travel of both cables. I did have to move one the =
cable bracket
at the keel about ½” in order to get the full =
travel.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Oh, BTW, if you were to decide to shorten the arm =
on the
aileron bellcrank to get more travel, the stick force increase is =
just
under 10% (I’m sure you figured this) – probably of little =
consequence.
</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Lengthening the keel bellcrank would not do any =
good
because the limitation is the cable travel.</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Best,</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Al </span></font></p>
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face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
reflector-admin@tvbf.org
[mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On =
Behalf
Of </span></b></span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>NMFlyer1@aol.com</span></font><font size=3D2
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Saturday, April
03, 2004</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>reflector@tvbf.org</span></=
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> =
brendanO@velocityaircraft.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> REFLECTOR:Re: =
Aileron
Rigging Frustration</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Well, no, I have not got =
the
ailerons rigged correctly yet, and have talked with Brendan a couple =
times.
Here's the scoop:</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I have the 173 Elite Model, =
so
others may be different. </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I followed the plans in my =
manual
and could not get 2.5" of travel (in fact the maximum I could get =
was
2-7/16 up and 2-5/16 down). </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I was told that there =
should be no
differential aileron (more up than down). </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I ended up getting the
"new" instructions off of the Velocity Site, and the =
instructions are
Very different. Following them dictated that I buy more aluminum and =
make a new
set of Cable Clamp Brackets. After following the instructions to the =
letter, I
could still not get proper travel, so I called the factory again. The =
response
was that my approach angle (cable to wing root bellcranks) has to be =
off.
Well, 90 degrees is pretty easy to measure and believe me... I have =
measured it
at least a hundred times over the last few weeks. </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Finally, out of frustration =
(and
thinking I just may be loosing it) I had my Dad check things out. He's =
an
Engineer at Sandia National Labs, and can figure these things out Much =
faster
than I would be able to do. He found some interesting =
things:</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> In order to get =
2.5" of
up and down travel (5" total movement), you have to have 3.14" =
of
travel in the aileron cables. Since the cables have only 3" of =
travel, the
maximum up/down travel possible is 4.75" (or 2-3/8 up & =
2-3/8
down). The instructions say that you can get 2.5" =
up/down
travel out of a properly rigged system, and <strong><b><font =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-family:Arial'>that is =
impossible</span></font></b></strong>! </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>This is based on some other =
things: </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> 1, the =
bell crank
at the back of the Keel has a 4" lever arm.</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> 2, the =
bell
cranks at the wing root also have a 4" lever arm.</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> 3, the =
ratio
between the bell crank turning, and the aileron movement is 1:1 (one to =
one)</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> &nbs=
p;
I measured mine, and it is essentially 1:1.</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> 4. The =
travel
possible is based on <strong><b><font face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-family:Arial'>zero</span></font></b></strong>
slop in the system! It is the best you will ever get. </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> 5. =
Hope that
my keel plate is correctly drilled from the factory. The approach angle =
of the
aileron cables at the keel is 82-degrees per side. This will induce a =
small
amount of differential in the system and slightly limit total possible =
travel. </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Conclusion: =
Well, after
weeks of work trying to obtain the travel stated in the instructions, I =
am now
frustrated and enlightened. It is not possible! </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Today I will =
go out and
try and adjust the system to get the maximum possible with what the =
factory
provided me: That is 2-3/8 up/down travel. </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Question: those =
flying the 173
Elite, is that sufficient? </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Possible changes: In =
order to
achieve more aileron travel, I have thought of 3 =
possibilities:</span></font></p>
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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>1, Increase the =
length
(lever arm) of the keel bellcrank by about 3/8" (would get more =
travel and
more leverage)</span></font></p>
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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>2, Decrease the =
lever
arm of the wing root bell cranks by about 3/8" would get more =
travel at
the aileron torque tube, but less leverage and therefore stiffer =
ailerons).
This could be done by welding the hole shut and drilling a new =
one as hole
edge distances could not be maintained by simply drilling a new hole. =
</span></font></p>
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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>3, Get =
cables that
have more travel than the 3" the factory provides. =
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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>So, there is the next =
chapter in
frustration. I will let you know the next chapter soon. Basically I am =
no more
nuts than I was before, and the limitation is in the system.. not the
builder. Whew!! </span></font></p>
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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Kurt =
Winker</span></font></p>
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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>173 FGE ... flippin flipper
fiddelin'</span></font></p>
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