REFLECTOR:INTAKE COMBUSTION AIR

Ronnie Brown reflector@tvbf.org
Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:43:32 -0400


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I have a 173 Elite RG with IO 360 C1C and only one oil cooler - up =
front.  I ran my oil lines down separate sides of the fuselage and I =
didn't have to cut any vents.  If I were having a problem with oil being =
to hot, then I would open up the ducts to allow air to pass by the oil =
lines.  There is a lot of surface area in these oil lines and it would =
increase the cooling if needed.  My oil is running around 210 or less in =
this 90 degree heat.  A bit warm but not out of reason. My heads are =
running less than 350 with the downdraft NACA cooling.

Ronnie
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Tom Martino=20
  To: reflector@www.tvbf.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 9:02 PM
  Subject: REFLECTOR:INTAKE COMBUSTION AIR


  On most of the Vs I've seen ... all of the air to the engine comes in =
from above through the naca vents.  The air is then directed over the =
cooling fins of the cylinders.  There are also 2 ducts that divert some =
of that air.  One duct goes to oil cooler and the other duct provides =
combustible air for the engine.

  =20

  I have been wonderings if the engine would run more efficiently if I =
put a separate air intake scoop (low profile) on the lower cowl.  This =
looks as if it would provide a more direct and cooler flow of air.  And =
it wouldn't divert any of the cooling air away from the cylinders.

  =20

  And while on the topic of cooling ... is it really necessary to have =
two oil coolers?  Is the one up front good enough?

  =20

  I saw one Velocity that had only one (up front) then had tiny side =
vents along the fuselage which directed air into the ducting that =
carries the oil lines.

  =20

  So is there anyone using just one oil cooler up front and not the one =
ion the engine compartment?   I would appreciate any insight into either =
of these topics.

  =20

  =20

  =20


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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I have a 173 Elite RG with IO 360 C1C and only one =
oil cooler=20
- up front.&nbsp; I ran my oil lines down separate sides of the fuselage =
and I=20
didn't have to cut any vents.&nbsp; If I were having a problem with oil =
being to=20
hot, then I would open up the ducts to allow air to pass by the oil =
lines.&nbsp;=20
There is a lot of surface area in these oil lines and it would increase =
the=20
cooling if needed.&nbsp; My oil is running around 210 or less in this 90 =
degree=20
heat.&nbsp; A bit warm but not out of reason. My heads are running less =
than 350=20
with the downdraft NACA cooling.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Ronnie</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dtmartino@troubleshooter.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:tmartino@troubleshooter.com">Tom Martino</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dreflector@www.tvbf.org=20
  href=3D"mailto:reflector@www.tvbf.org">reflector@www.tvbf.org</A> =
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, September 13, =
2003 9:02=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> REFLECTOR:INTAKE =
COMBUSTION=20
  AIR</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">On most of the Vs =
I&#8217;ve seen ...=20
  all of the air to the engine comes in from above through the naca =
vents.<SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>The air is then directed =
over the=20
  cooling fins of the cylinders.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; =

  </SPAN>There are also 2 ducts that divert some of that air.<SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>One duct goes to oil cooler =
and the=20
  other duct provides combustible air for the=20
  engine.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have been wonderings =
if the=20
  engine would run more efficiently if I put a separate air intake scoop =
(low=20
  profile) on the lower cowl. <SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>This=20
  looks as if it would provide a more direct and cooler flow of =
air.<SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>And it wouldn&#8217;t divert =
any of the=20
  cooling air away from the cylinders.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And while on the topic =
of cooling=20
  ... is it really necessary to have two oil coolers?<SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Is the one up front good=20
  enough?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I saw one=20
  </SPAN></FONT><st1:PersonName><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Velocity</SPAN></FONT></st1:PersonName><FONT=20
  face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> that had=20
  only one (up front) then had tiny side vents along the fuselage which =
directed=20
  air into the ducting that carries the oil =
lines.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So is there anyone using =
just one=20
  oil cooler up front and not the one ion the engine compartment? <SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN>I would appreciate any =
insight=20
  into either of these topics.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
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