REFLECTOR:Alternator

Alexander Balic reflector@tvbf.org
Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:57:54 -0500


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Brazing and soldering are 2 different things- there is silver "Solder" which
is available at any electronics supply store (including Radio Shack)  it
resembles lead solder, except it has a lot more shine to it - it will melt
with a soldering iron, but at a (slightly) higher temperature than lead/tin.
Silver bearing brazing rod is used for metal repair, and will not melt with
a soldering iron, at least none that I have ever used- the brazing rods have
external flux coating and are rigid, the solder has either internal flux
core, or requires the application of flux to flow properly.  I know that ND
uses ultrasonic welding to assemble the mechanical electronic components,
and a wave flow soldering machine to assemble the electronic parts -
  -----Original Message-----
  From: reflector-admin@tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]On Behalf
Of Nolan Frederick
  Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 8:56 PM
  To: reflector@tvbf.org
  Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Alternator


  NO, NO, NO!  Not "Silver Solder"!   Silver Solder is brazing solder.  I'm
talking about the new high silver content solder that good electronics shops
have.  It melts with a good soldering iron.
  nolan.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Ronnie Brown
    To: reflector@tvbf.org
    Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 10:48 AM
    Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Alternator


    Since I didn't couldn't find any silver solder, I used a high quality
lead/tin solder with rosin core and I could get at it with my trusty Weller
Soldering Gun (40 years old!), I decided to go ahead and solder it myself.

    It will be interesting to see how long it will last.  The Hitachi only
has 85 hours on it. The original solder joint appeared to be plain solder,
it melted as easily as my solder.

    I'll let yall know how it does.  Thank goodness Velocities have great
big ole car batteries up front.  I have tested my battery on minimum loads
and it runs well over 3 hours.  The Garmin 430 and lights are the biggest
loads.

    I have a Grand Rapids Technologies EIS which has it's low voltage set
point at 12.2 volts so it comes on as soon as the alternator is
disconnected.

    Ronnie
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: UTI
      To: reflector@tvbf.org
      Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:40 AM
      Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Alternator


      At 07:28 AM 9/9/2003 -0600, you wrote:

        Ronnie, If you are going to repair that alternator slip ring
connection please give some serious thought to using a high silver content
solder.

      Could you please explain difference to use silver versus standard
solder ?
      I see no need to do so, since silver connection will weaker (softer)
so, more
      volatile under engine vibrations.
      Please explain. Thanks.
      Vlad

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<DIV><SPAN class=033115103-10092003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Brazing and soldering are 2 different things- there is silver "Solder" 
which is available at any electronics supply store (including Radio 
Shack)&nbsp;&nbsp;it resembles lead solder, except it has a lot more shine to it 
- it will melt with a soldering iron, but at a (slightly) higher temperature 
than lead/tin.&nbsp; Silver bearing brazing rod is used for metal repair, and 
will not melt with a soldering iron, at least none that I have ever used- the 
brazing rods have external flux coating and are rigid, the solder has either 
internal flux core, or requires the application of flux to flow properly.&nbsp; 
I know that ND uses ultrasonic welding to assemble the mechanical electronic 
components, and a wave flow soldering machine to assemble the electronic parts - 
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> reflector-admin@tvbf.org 
  [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Nolan 
  Frederick<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 09, 2003 8:56 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 
  reflector@tvbf.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: 
  REFLECTOR:Alternator<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#000080>NO, NO, NO!&nbsp; Not "Silver Solder"!&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  Silver Solder is brazing solder.&nbsp; I'm talking about the new high silver 
  content solder that good electronics shops have.&nbsp; It melts with a good 
  soldering iron.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#000080>nolan.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000080 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV 
    style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
    <A title=romott@adelphia.net href="mailto:romott@adelphia.net">Ronnie 
    Brown</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=reflector@tvbf.org 
    href="mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 09, 2003 10:48 
    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: REFLECTOR:Alternator</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>Since I didn't couldn't find any silver solder, I used a 
    high quality lead/tin solder with rosin core and I could get at it with my 
    trusty Weller Soldering Gun (40 years old!), I decided to go ahead and 
    solder it myself.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>It will be interesting to see how long it will last.&nbsp; 
    The Hitachi&nbsp;only has 85 hours on it.&nbsp;The original&nbsp;solder 
    joint appeared to be plain solder, it melted as easily as my 
    solder.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>I'll let yall know how&nbsp;it does.&nbsp; Thank 
    goodness&nbsp;Velocities have great big ole car batteries up front.&nbsp; I 
    have tested my battery&nbsp;on minimum loads and it runs well over 3 
    hours.&nbsp;&nbsp;The Garmin 430 and lights are the biggest 
    loads.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>I have a Grand Rapids Technologies EIS which has&nbsp;it's 
    low voltage set point at 12.2 volts so it comes on as soon as the alternator 
    is disconnected.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>Ronnie</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
      <DIV 
      style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
      <A title=umbtech@umbtech.com href="mailto:umbtech@umbtech.com">UTI</A> 
      </DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=reflector@tvbf.org 
      href="mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 09, 2003 
      11:40 AM</DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: 
      REFLECTOR:Alternator</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>At 07:28 AM 9/9/2003 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
      <BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite"><FONT color=#000080>Ronnie, 
        If you are going to repair that alternator slip ring connection please 
        give some serious thought to using a high silver content solder.&nbsp; 
        </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Could you please explain difference to use silver 
      versus standard solder ?<BR>I see no need to do so, since silver 
      connection will weaker (softer) so, more<BR>volatile under engine 
      vibrations.<BR>Please explain. 
      Thanks.<BR>Vlad<BR><BR>_______________________________________________ To 
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