REFLECTOR:Alternator
Alexander Balic
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Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:57:54 -0500
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Brazing and soldering are 2 different things- there is silver "Solder" which
is available at any electronics supply store (including Radio Shack) it
resembles lead solder, except it has a lot more shine to it - it will melt
with a soldering iron, but at a (slightly) higher temperature than lead/tin.
Silver bearing brazing rod is used for metal repair, and will not melt with
a soldering iron, at least none that I have ever used- the brazing rods have
external flux coating and are rigid, the solder has either internal flux
core, or requires the application of flux to flow properly. I know that ND
uses ultrasonic welding to assemble the mechanical electronic components,
and a wave flow soldering machine to assemble the electronic parts -
-----Original Message-----
From: reflector-admin@tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]On Behalf
Of Nolan Frederick
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 8:56 PM
To: reflector@tvbf.org
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Alternator
NO, NO, NO! Not "Silver Solder"! Silver Solder is brazing solder. I'm
talking about the new high silver content solder that good electronics shops
have. It melts with a good soldering iron.
nolan.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ronnie Brown
To: reflector@tvbf.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Alternator
Since I didn't couldn't find any silver solder, I used a high quality
lead/tin solder with rosin core and I could get at it with my trusty Weller
Soldering Gun (40 years old!), I decided to go ahead and solder it myself.
It will be interesting to see how long it will last. The Hitachi only
has 85 hours on it. The original solder joint appeared to be plain solder,
it melted as easily as my solder.
I'll let yall know how it does. Thank goodness Velocities have great
big ole car batteries up front. I have tested my battery on minimum loads
and it runs well over 3 hours. The Garmin 430 and lights are the biggest
loads.
I have a Grand Rapids Technologies EIS which has it's low voltage set
point at 12.2 volts so it comes on as soon as the alternator is
disconnected.
Ronnie
----- Original Message -----
From: UTI
To: reflector@tvbf.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Alternator
At 07:28 AM 9/9/2003 -0600, you wrote:
Ronnie, If you are going to repair that alternator slip ring
connection please give some serious thought to using a high silver content
solder.
Could you please explain difference to use silver versus standard
solder ?
I see no need to do so, since silver connection will weaker (softer)
so, more
volatile under engine vibrations.
Please explain. Thanks.
Vlad
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<DIV><SPAN class=033115103-10092003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Brazing and soldering are 2 different things- there is silver "Solder"
which is available at any electronics supply store (including Radio
Shack) it resembles lead solder, except it has a lot more shine to it
- it will melt with a soldering iron, but at a (slightly) higher temperature
than lead/tin. Silver bearing brazing rod is used for metal repair, and
will not melt with a soldering iron, at least none that I have ever used- the
brazing rods have external flux coating and are rigid, the solder has either
internal flux core, or requires the application of flux to flow properly.
I know that ND uses ultrasonic welding to assemble the mechanical electronic
components, and a wave flow soldering machine to assemble the electronic parts -
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> reflector-admin@tvbf.org
[mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Nolan
Frederick<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 09, 2003 8:56 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
reflector@tvbf.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
REFLECTOR:Alternator<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080>NO, NO, NO! Not "Silver Solder"!
Silver Solder is brazing solder. I'm talking about the new high silver
content solder that good electronics shops have. It melts with a good
soldering iron.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080>nolan.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=romott@adelphia.net href="mailto:romott@adelphia.net">Ronnie
Brown</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=reflector@tvbf.org
href="mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 09, 2003 10:48
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: REFLECTOR:Alternator</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Since I didn't couldn't find any silver solder, I used a
high quality lead/tin solder with rosin core and I could get at it with my
trusty Weller Soldering Gun (40 years old!), I decided to go ahead and
solder it myself.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>It will be interesting to see how long it will last.
The Hitachi only has 85 hours on it. The original solder
joint appeared to be plain solder, it melted as easily as my
solder. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I'll let yall know how it does. Thank
goodness Velocities have great big ole car batteries up front. I
have tested my battery on minimum loads and it runs well over 3
hours. The Garmin 430 and lights are the biggest
loads. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I have a Grand Rapids Technologies EIS which has it's
low voltage set point at 12.2 volts so it comes on as soon as the alternator
is disconnected.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Ronnie</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=umbtech@umbtech.com href="mailto:umbtech@umbtech.com">UTI</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=reflector@tvbf.org
href="mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 09, 2003
11:40 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re:
REFLECTOR:Alternator</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>At 07:28 AM 9/9/2003 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite"><FONT color=#000080>Ronnie,
If you are going to repair that alternator slip ring connection please
give some serious thought to using a high silver content solder.
</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Could you please explain difference to use silver
versus standard solder ?<BR>I see no need to do so, since silver
connection will weaker (softer) so, more<BR>volatile under engine
vibrations.<BR>Please explain.
Thanks.<BR>Vlad<BR><BR>_______________________________________________ To
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