REFLECTOR:Stall Characteristics

Pat Shea
Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:46:15 -0800 (PST)


Actually, this all started when you accused someone of
spreading rumors just for indicating it was POSSIBLE
to stall the main wing. That's was kind of a harsh
response from someone who now admits it can be done
after it has been pointed out how. Not surprisingly,
we haven't seen an apology from you... FYI, although
you have to be outside the normal flight envelope to
stall the main wing, that doesn't mean (or was it ever
said or implied) that anything you do outside this
envelope can cause the main wing to stall. The
important point is that you can't stall the main in
the normal flight envelope but that there are things
you can do outside this envelope (albeit relatively
extreme) which can cause it to stall. I hope you're
right about the deep stall recovery - but pls don't go
try it because that's not how we want to find out if
you're wrong.

--- Scott <> wrote:
> Scott,
> I did not realize you were a CFI and also was
> unaware of how many hours in 
> a Velocity you have. I am revising "my opinion" of
> "your opinion"! :-)
> This conversation has gotten away from us.
> It started with a statement that you could deep
> stall the airplane if you 
> flew it outside of "Normal Flight".  The problem
> being how to define normal 
> flight.
> Are rolls normal?  If not the statement is false,
> I'm no aerobatic expert, 
> far from it, I get airsick, however I've done quite
> a few rolls in canard 
> airplanes.  I've flown very steep turns which I
> believe in excess of 60 
> degrees is considered aerobatic.  I've been upside
> down, I've been throne 
> around pretty good in turbulence, had some moments
> with clear air mountain 
> wave/roll cloud type turbulence that put the
> airplane in attitudes I had 
> never experienced before.  Is that all normal
> flight?
> I never felt anything remotely like a deep stall
> though I've seen my 
> airspeed down as low as 45 knots, in flight, well
> lets say I was airborne, 
> certainly not flying in the normal manner...
> I have no intention of deliberately performing a
> hammerhead stall. But 
> similar wind can be induced in turbulence.
> Saying all that, I think you are wrong in proposing
> that if you did manage 
> to stall both wings through a maneuver like a
> hammerhead or some very rough 
> turbulence that the nose would not drop out below
> the main wing.

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