REFLECTOR:accidents/incidents

[Milton Merskey]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott" <scott@tnstaafl.net>
To: <reflector@tvbf.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:accidents/incidents


> There is an air show performer that does Aerobatics in a LongEZ., I've
seen
> him perform a couple times.

And those performers are called: Mike Melville and Dick Rutan

milt
>
> Does hammerheads, loops etc..
>
> Geeee, I wonder how he survives doing that all year long, over and over
again?
>
> Scott
>
> At 01:45 AM 11/11/2003, you wrote:
> >Jim,
> >
> >Your post concerns me even more than Scott's!
> >  See Velocity Views volume 7 Safety Corner by Duane on
> >deep stall avoidance and recovery; see more of the
> >same in volume 8 Safety Corner under "Deep Stall";
> >also see volume 12 Safety Corner under "Aerobatic
> >Warning."
> >  Pls note that 1) it is possible to stall the the main
> >wing by flying outside of the normal flight envelope
> >(i.e. aerobatics), and 2) this can lead to a deep
> >stall - from which you might be able to recover - but
> >it probably WON'T "go right on through flat and deep
> >stalled on its way to straight down."
> >  Glad to hear this was a non-event for you and your
> >buddies in other canards, but it doesn't seem
> >reasonable to imply the same will be true for the
> >Velocity given the factory's testing and warnings to
> >the contrary.
> >  Anyway, my main point was how the main wing can be
> >stalled - not to open the deep stall recovery can.
> >
> >Pat
> >
> >--- Jim Sower <canarder@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> > > Now here I had always thought that if your CG was
> > > within limits and you did that, the
> > > plane would go right on through flat and deep
> > > stalled on its way to straight down.
> > > I'm pretty sure I've done that in my EZ with no ill
> > > effects.  I'm pretty sure about
> > > half the canard community has too.
> > > I think if that were true there'd be dead canards
> > > splattered all over the country ...
> > > Jim S.
> > >
> > > Pat Shea wrote:
> > >
> > > > Pssst!
> > > >
> > > >  If you point the nose straight up, the airspeed
> > > will
> > > > eventually bleed down to zero & the main wing will
> > > > stall. From there, the plane may even enter a deep
> > > > stall from which you can't recover. This is why
> > > > certain aerobatics (i.e. loops) are riskier in
> > > canards
> > > > than in tractor planes. A properly rigged & loaded
> > > > Velocity, like most canards, is only stall proof
> > > > within the "normal" flight envelope.
> > > >
> > > > Pat
> > > >
> > > > --- Scott <scott@tnstaafl.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Well, this is completely contrary to all I have
> > > > >heard from people who fly these planes for a
> > > living.
> > > > >
> > > > >Are you passing on rumor of have you actually
> > > done
> > > > >it?
> > > >
> > > > >>But even the current design can be pushed into a
> > > > >>wing stall if you work at it.
> > > >
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> > > Jim Sower
> > > Crossville, TN; Chapter 5
> > > Long-EZ N83RT, Velocity N4095T
> > >
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