REFLECTOR:accidents/incidents

Velocity_AZ reflector@tvbf.org
Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:54:58 -0700


At Copperstate 2003 I watched a Long-EZ do aerobatics - he never did a
complete loop.

Kevin


-----Original Message-----
From: reflector-admin@tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]On Behalf Of
Scott
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:49 AM
To: reflector@tvbf.org
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:accidents/incidents

There is an air show performer that does Aerobatics in a LongEZ., I've seen
him perform a couple times.

Does hammerheads, loops etc..

Geeee, I wonder how he survives doing that all year long, over and over
again?

Scott

At 01:45 AM 11/11/2003, you wrote:
>Jim,
>
>Your post concerns me even more than Scott's!
>  See Velocity Views volume 7 Safety Corner by Duane on
>deep stall avoidance and recovery; see more of the
>same in volume 8 Safety Corner under "Deep Stall";
>also see volume 12 Safety Corner under "Aerobatic
>Warning."
>  Pls note that 1) it is possible to stall the the main
>wing by flying outside of the normal flight envelope
>(i.e. aerobatics), and 2) this can lead to a deep
>stall - from which you might be able to recover - but
>it probably WON'T "go right on through flat and deep
>stalled on its way to straight down."
>  Glad to hear this was a non-event for you and your
>buddies in other canards, but it doesn't seem
>reasonable to imply the same will be true for the
>Velocity given the factory's testing and warnings to
>the contrary.
>  Anyway, my main point was how the main wing can be
>stalled - not to open the deep stall recovery can.
>
>Pat
>
>--- Jim Sower <canarder@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> > Now here I had always thought that if your CG was
> > within limits and you did that, the
> > plane would go right on through flat and deep
> > stalled on its way to straight down.
> > I'm pretty sure I've done that in my EZ with no ill
> > effects.  I'm pretty sure about
> > half the canard community has too.
> > I think if that were true there'd be dead canards
> > splattered all over the country ...
> > Jim S.
> >
> > Pat Shea wrote:
> >
> > > Pssst!
> > >
> > >  If you point the nose straight up, the airspeed
> > will
> > > eventually bleed down to zero & the main wing will
> > > stall. From there, the plane may even enter a deep
> > > stall from which you can't recover. This is why
> > > certain aerobatics (i.e. loops) are riskier in
> > canards
> > > than in tractor planes. A properly rigged & loaded
> > > Velocity, like most canards, is only stall proof
> > > within the "normal" flight envelope.
> > >
> > > Pat
> > >
> > > --- Scott <scott@tnstaafl.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Well, this is completely contrary to all I have
> > > >heard from people who fly these planes for a
> > living.
> > > >
> > > >Are you passing on rumor of have you actually
> > done
> > > >it?
> > >
> > > >>But even the current design can be pushed into a
> > > >>wing stall if you work at it.
> > >
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