REFLECTOR:FAA changes Operating Limitations

[Mike Pollock]

Your right.  I did miss that little caveat of "or for the time the FSDO
assigns".  Sneaky little dudes, huh?  Our operating limitations for our
velocity were updated in 2000, so it does not apply to us either, unless the
FAA decides to make it retroactive for all experimentals.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: reflector-admin@tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]On
Behalf Of Scott Derrick
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:24 AM
To: reflector@tvbf.org
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:FAA changes Operating Limitations


Mike,

You missed the biggest change.

"The aircraft must remain in flight test for a minimum of 5 hours or for
the time the FSDO assigns."

Previously the Owner or A&P doing the change set the flight test time.
Now the FAA is back in the picture. Somebody who probably knows
diddly-squawt about what your doing.

My experience of the inspectors at ABQ FSDO is they are a mixed bag.
Some good, some bad.  I'd rather not risk getting one of the ***holes.

Of course the silver lining is that my operating limitation doesn't say
this so it doesn't apply to my plane.  All the newly papered planes may
have this in there O.L. though.

Scott

Mike Pollock wrote:
> If using the same flight test area as in the original Phase I Operating
> Limitations, the aircraft owner already has permission to use that flight
> test area again.  If that original flight test area is not available due
to
> a move of the airplane, etc., then it just makes common sense to notify
the
> geographically responsible FSDO of the location of the proposed test area
> that you would like to use.  A revised Form 8130-6 is only used to update
> the FAA database as to the configuration of your experimental licensed
> airplane after a major change.  Basically, the FAA has just combined
> Operating Limitations to make them more clear as to their original
intention
> of the new 8130.2 change.  Go figure...  How can anyone be confused by the
> FAA wording, or change, or ...;-)
>
> Mike Pollock
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reflector-admin@tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]On
> Behalf Of Scott Derrick
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 2:29 PM
> To: reflector@tvbf.org
> Subject: REFLECTOR:FAA changes Operating Limitations
>
>
> The FAA made a major change to the Operating Limitations section of
> 8130.2  Not to the better in my opinion!
>
> Here's the old one
>
> (19) After incorporating a major change as described in § 21.93, the
> aircraft owner is required to re-establish compliance with § 91.319(b).
> All operations will be conducted day VFR in a sparsely populated area.
> The aircraft must remain in flight test for a minimum of 5 hours.
> Persons non-essential to the flight shall not be carried. The aircraft
> owner shall make a detailed log book entry describing the change prior
> to the test flight. Following satisfactory completion of the required
> number of flight hours in the flight test area, the pilot shall certify
> in the records that the aircraft has been shown to comply with §
> 91.319(b). Compliance with § 91.319(b) shall be recorded in the aircraft
> records with the following or a similarly worded statement: "I certify
> that the prescribed flight test hours have been completed and the
> aircraft is controllable throughout its normal range of speeds and
> throughout all maneuvers to be executed, has no hazardous operating
> characteristics or design features, and is safe for operation. The
> following aircraft operating data has been demonstrated during the
> flight testing: speeds Vso______, Vx______, and Vy______, and the
> weight______, and CG location______ at which they were obtained."
>
> Here's the new one
>
> (19) After incorporating a major change as described in § 21.93, the
> aircraft owner is required to reestablish compliance with § 91.319(b)
> and notify the geographically responsible FSDO of the location of the
> proposed test area. The aircraft owner must obtain concurrence from the
> FSDO as to the suitability of the proposed test area.  If the major
> change includes installing a different make and model of engine or
> propeller, the aircraft owner must fill out a revised Form 8130-6 to
> update the aircraft's file in the FAA Aircraft Registry. All operations
> must be conducted under day VFR conditions in a sparsely populated area.
> The aircraft must remain in flight test for a minimum of 5 hours or for
> the time the FSDO assigns. Persons nonessential to the flight must not
> be carried. The aircraft owner must make a detailed logbook entry
> describing the change before the test flight. Following satisfactory
> completion of the required number of flight hours in the flight test
> area, the pilot must certify in the records that the aircraft has been
> shown to comply with § 91.319(b). Compliance with § 91.319(b) must be
> recorded in the aircraft records with the following, or a similarly
> worded, statement: "I certify that the prescribed flight test hours have
> been completed and the aircraft is controllable throughout its normal
> range of speeds and throughout all maneuvers to be executed, has no
> hazardous characteristics or design features, and is safe for operation.
> The following aircraft operating data has been demonstrated during the
> flight testing: speeds Vso ______, Vx ______, and Vy ______, and the
> weight ______, and CG location ______ at which they were obtained."
>
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