REFLECTOR:ELT

Lloyd L Garner reflector@tvbf.org
Mon, 5 May 2003 00:09:39 -0400


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CAP in OK 1993 Checked out an ELT in a hangar that was finally located
behind the seat bulkhead in (I believe) a Cozy.  We had to call in an A&P
to remove the panel from the bulkhead.  It did have an annunciator light
on the Inst Panel which is how we found it in the first place.    

In 1997 the Muskogee Sqdrn had a save because the A/C landed short in
freezing rain.  Took about 2 hours to find the pilot who by then was
frozen to the ground.  But he's now alive and well.  Bottom line -----
sometimes they DO work..

Lloyd Garner


On Sun, 4 May 2003 16:09:45 -0700 "KeithHallsten"
<KeithHallsten@quiknet.com> writes:
The ACK unit is probably a good way to go for now, unless you really want
an ELT that works; in that case you would have to spring $2500 or so for
a 406 MHz unit.  The 121.5/243 MHz units will no longer be monitored
after early 2009, so by then we'll all have to go to the 406 MHz units. 
The hope is that the price on them will have dropped by then.  

The only airplane crash located by a 121.5 MHz ELT signal in the 48
contiguous states was a C-150 that crashed into the Pacific off Punta
Gorda, CA   There was one "save" in Hawaii, and several in Alaska, but
the probability of a 121.5 MHz ELT providing for a prompt rescue after a
crash is only marginally better than zero.  See 
http://avweb.com/news/safety/184213-1.html

Keith
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Wayne Owens 
To: reflector@tvbf.org 
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:ELT


One of the cheapest  conforming ELTs from ACK has a very simple to wire
panel annunciator which will allow you to test and reset it from the
driver's seat. It also has an indicator light to let you know it is
activated.
Wayne
----- Original Message ----- 
From: KeithHallsten 
To: reflector@tvbf.org 
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:ELT


Considering the horrendous record of ELT's being very nearly useless, I
would think that you would want to spend as little on this device as
possible!!  There is no requirement for a panel annunciator and switch.

Keith

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Donald Royer 
To: reflector@tvbf.org 
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:ELT


Considering the very bad record of ELT's not being automatically
triggered in accidents. I would think that one would certainly want a
remote switch on the panel for safety's sake whether it is required or
not.

Don
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Tom Martino 
To: reflector@www.tvbf.org 
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 1:32 PM
Subject: REFLECTOR:ELT


I can’t seem to get a consistent answer on experimentals and ELT
requirements.  Do we have to have a panel annunciator and a remote switch
on the panel?  Or can we use a completely self contained unit and tuck it
behind the trim panel at the rear firewall? 
 
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<DIV>CAP in OK 1993 Checked out an ELT in a hangar that was finally located=
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behind the seat bulkhead in (I believe) a Cozy.&nbsp; We had to call in an=
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A&amp;P to remove the panel from the bulkhead.&nbsp; It did have an =
annunciator=20
light on the Inst Panel which is how we found it in the first=20
place.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>In 1997 the Muskogee Sqdrn had a save because the A/C landed short in=
=20
freezing rain.&nbsp; Took about 2 hours to find the pilot who by then was =
frozen=20
to the ground.&nbsp; But he's now alive and well.&nbsp; Bottom line -----=20
sometimes they DO work..</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Lloyd Garner</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>On Sun, 4 May 2003 16:09:45 -0700 "KeithHallsten" &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:KeithHallsten@quiknet.com">KeithHallsten@quiknet.com</A>&gt;=
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writes:</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The ACK unit is probably a good way to =
go for=20
  now, unless you really want an ELT that works; in that case you would =
have to=20
  spring $2500 or so for a 406 MHz unit.&nbsp; The 121.5/243 MHz units will=
 no=20
  longer be monitored after early 2009, so by then we'll all have to go to =
the=20
  406 MHz units.&nbsp; The hope is that the price on them will have dropped=
 by=20
  then.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The only airplane crash located by a 121=
.5 MHz=20
  ELT signal in the 48 contiguous states was a C-150 that crashed into the=
=20
  Pacific off Punta Gorda, CA&nbsp;&nbsp; There was one "save" in Hawaii, =
and=20
  several in Alaska, but the probability of a 121.5 MHz&nbsp;ELT providing =
for a=20
  prompt rescue after a crash is only marginally better than zero.&nbsp;=20
  See&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
  href=3D"http://avweb.com/news/safety/184213-1.html">http://avweb.com/news=
/safety/184213-1.html</A></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Keith</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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    <A title=3Dwamowens@bellsouth.net href=3D"mailto:wamowens@bellsouth.net=
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    Owens</A> </DIV>
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    href=3D"mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 04, 2003 3:44=
=20
PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: REFLECTOR:ELT</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One of the cheapest&nbsp; conforming =
ELTs from=20
    ACK has a very simple to wire panel annunciator which will allow you to=
 test=20
    and reset it from the driver's seat. It also has an indicator light to =
let=20
    you know it is activated.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Wayne</FONT></DIV>
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>From:</B>=20
      <A title=3DKeithHallsten@quiknet.com=20
      href=3D"mailto:KeithHallsten@quiknet.com">KeithHallsten</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dreflector@tvbf.=
org=20
      href=3D"mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:=
06=20
      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: REFLECTOR:ELT</=
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      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Considering the horrendous record of=
 ELT's=20
      being very nearly useless, I would think that you would want to spend=
 as=20
      little on this device as possible!!&nbsp; There is no requirement for=
 a=20
      panel annunciator and switch.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Keith</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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        style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">=
<B>From:</B>=20
        <A title=3Ddjroyer@earthlink.net=20
        href=3D"mailto:djroyer@earthlink.net">Donald Royer</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dreflector@=
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        href=3D"mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 04, 2003 1=
:49=20
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        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: REFLECTOR:ELT</=
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        <DIV><BR></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Considering the very bad record of ELT's not =
being=20
        automatically triggered in accidents. I would think that one would=
=20
        certainly want a remote switch on the panel for safety's sake =
whether it=20
        is required or not.</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Don</FONT></DIV>
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          <A title=3Dtmartino@troubleshooter.com=20
          href=3D"mailto:tmartino@troubleshooter.com">Tom Martino</A> </DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
          title=3Dreflector@www.tvbf.org=20
          href=3D"mailto:reflector@www.tvbf.org">reflector@www.tvbf.org</A>=
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          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 04, 2003=
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          <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
          style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I can=92t seem to =
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          style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Do we have to have a =
panel=20
          annunciator and a remote switch on the panel?<SPAN=20
          style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Or can we use a =
completely=20
          self contained unit and tuck it behind the trim panel at the rear=
=20
          firewall?</SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
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