REFLECTOR:173 Front Seat Ballast

Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:19:14 -0400

I think my problem applies to 173's with the longer, heavier wings.  And I
do have a big car battery in front, with a full IFR vacuum gyros and Garmin
430, full upholstery and carpet.  I think it is just the heavy wings.

Ronnie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Derrick" <scott@tnstaafl.net>
To: <reflector@tvbf.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:173 Front Seat Ballast

> Ronnie,
>
> Where's your battery?
>
> I fly my Std RG solo, I weight 175-180. It puts me about 1/4 " forward
> of the aft limit. Battery in the nose.  I do have a full radio stack
> which helps out on aft CG.
>
> Scott
>
> Ronnie Brown wrote:
> > My weight and balance on my 173 Elite RG with 200 HP Lycoming and Catto
Prop
> > says I should fly with 40-50 lbs of ballast in the co-pilot floor when I
am
> > flying by myself - I weigh 190 lbs.  I recall Alan Shaw saying that the
aft
> > CG limit was too conservative due to the flat stall problem, which had
been
> > over corrected.  I am using a camping water tank that holds 5 gallons,
but
> > it is leaking and sure is a pain.
> >
> > Is anyone flying without ballast and weighs less than 200 lbs in a 173?
> >
> > THANKS!
> > Ronnie
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Derrick" <scott@tnstaafl.net>
> > To: <reflector@tvbf.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 4:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Storm Scope Probe
> >
> >
> >
> >>Your cell phone will work in the plane, but your service provider will
> >>be royally pissed if you use it regularly and probably cancel your
> >
> > account.
> >
> >>Scott
> >>
> >>Dave Scharfenberg wrote:
> >>
> >>>A friend just showed me his new cell phone.  He can get color radar all
> >>
> > over
> >
> >>>the country for $3 / month.  He said there is a "pilot" plan that gives
> >>
> > you
> >
> >>>metars, tafs, etc. for $9 / month.  All you have to do is figure out
how
> >>
> > to
> >
> >>>get your cell phone to work in the plane.
> >>>
> >>>Dave Scharfenberg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>on 6/12/03 12:20 PM, Ronnie Brown at romott@adelphia.net wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>That's what I'm waiting for.  I made room for a strike finder or
WX-500
> >>>
> > to
> >
> >>>>link to my Garmin 430 but I'm waiting for a satellite or land based
> >>>
> > system
> >
> >>>>to display just what you mentioned - at a lower cost.  The technology
is
> >>>>coming FAST.  There are several alternatives out there now and
> >>>
> > competition
> >
> >>>>breeds lower prices and better capabilities.  The data may be a bit
> >>>
> > slower,
> >
> >>>>but the "view" of the strike finders and WX-500's is limited to pretty
> >>>
> > much
> >
> >>>>the line in front of you, not much behind that.
> >>>>
> >>>>Ronnie
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>From: "Dave Scharfenberg" <dave@winco.net>
> >>>>To: <reflector@tvbf.org>
> >>>>Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:36 PM
> >>>>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Storm Scope Probe
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I occasionally fly a King Air 200 equipped with the Bendix / King
> >>>>
> > display
> >
> >>>>>that shows radar images similar to a DTN screen.  I think the signal
is
> >>>>>uplinked from the ground.  It always works well and is great for
> >>>>
> > getting
> >
> >>>>the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>big picture, which is what we need for avoiding the weather
completely.
> >>>>
> >>>>The
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>unit also displays onboard radar, traffic, terrain, metars, moving
map,
> >>>>>stormscope returns, and probably some stuff I haven't found yet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Dave Scharfenberg
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>on 6/11/03 9:30 AM, Alexander Balic at alex157@direcway.com wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>I was also, thinking
> >>>>>>about Bob Wood's suggestion about the Satellite weather downlink- it
> >>>>>
> >>>>looks
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>really good, but my concern about it is that you are relying on your
> >>>>>
> >>>>weather
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>data from an external source, and perhaps it is on a different
> >>>>>
> > frequency
> >
> >>>>>>than other satellite links, but I know that my sat TV, and my Sat
> >>>>>
> >>>>internet
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>uplink both go down during bad weather, so I would have some concern
> >>>>>
> >>>>about
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>reception of the signals just when you really need them most.....
> >>>>>
> > anyone
> >
> >>>>>>have any experience with that? I'd like to hear about it, because if
> >>>>>
> > the
> >
> >>>>>>signals are reliable in lightning infested areas, then maybe it
would
> >>>>>
> > be
> >
> >>>>a
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>good alternative.
> >>>>>
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