REFLECTOR:Secondary fire detection
Jeffrey Clough
reflector@tvbf.org
Wed, 16 Jul 2003 23:59:34 -0800
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I didn't mean to start a war...was just wondering ...wasn't really =
thinking of a 'window' per se, just a very small piece of glass =
installed in the firewall which wouldn't weaken the firewall anymore =
than all the holes we drill through it. Have you ever actually had a =
fire in your oven or grill....even if the glass is blackened you can =
still see flames and blackened glass would likely mean fire to me and =
warrant landing for investigation. It is not a window for looking at =
your fine engine installation or the view from the back of the plane, =
just a simple way to double check should, (despite all your efforts at =
preventing a fire), your alarm system (thermal fuses or whatever) go =
off. Certified airplane mfrs all do their best to prevent fires(don't =
they?), but they still DO happen (but they are much more obvious). With =
a pusher you are just likely to not know about it for a while =
longer...maybe at which point it is too late.
I have never seen a plane with an electrical fire, oil fire or fuel =
fire, but I suspect they all produce a lot of black smoke..... I have a =
small convex mirror I was planning on attaching to one of my leading =
edge vortillons for veiwing (again..just a simple double check) my RG =
status...wonder if I could see smoke coming from the cowl? J Clough
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Tom Martino=20
To: reflector@www.tvbf.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: fire warning (was explosion)
Thank God the general public doesn't ready these postings! A window =
in the firewall to see a fire? Are we going mad?
=20
It sounds as if Velocities are flying time bombs just waiting to burst =
into flames. Come on ... lets get real.
=20
We should put all of our efforts into preventing fires to begin with, =
then we should explore realistic detection equipment that won't require =
peaking through a freekin window behind the back seat.
=20
I can jus imagine how that window will go over with my passengers:
=20
"Tom, isn't that nice a rear window!"
=20
Oh that, I put it there to spot flames in the engine compartment.
=20
After fire detection, perhaps a fire suppression system would be in =
order.
=20
Are Velocities that prone to fire? Are we exaggerating? =20
=20
Back on the topic of a window ... ever see your oven glass when smoke =
and fire actually erupt in the oven. It goes black from soot.
=20
I have to believe that there are other modifications we can do besides =
a fire window.
=20
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>I didn't mean to start a war...was just =
wondering=20
...wasn't really thinking of a 'window' per se, just a very small piece =
of glass=20
installed in the firewall which wouldn't weaken the firewall anymore =
than all=20
the holes we drill through it. Have you ever =
actually=20
had a fire in your oven or grill....even if the glass is blackened you =
can still=20
see flames and blackened glass would likely mean fire to me and warrant =
landing=20
for investigation. It is not a window for looking at your fine =
engine=20
installation or the view from the back of the plane, just a simple way =
to=20
double check should, (despite all your efforts at preventing a =
fire), your=20
alarm system (thermal fuses or whatever) go off. Certified airplane =
mfrs=20
all do their best to prevent fires(don't they?), but they still DO =
happen (but=20
they are much more obvious). With a pusher you are just likely to not =
know about=20
it for a while longer...maybe at which point it is too=20
late.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D4> I have never seen a plane with =
an=20
electrical fire, oil fire or fuel fire, but I suspect they all =
produce a=20
lot of black smoke..... I have a small convex mirror I was planning on =
attaching=20
to one of my leading edge vortillons for veiwing (again..just a simple =
double=20
check) my RG status...wonder if I could see smoke coming from the=20
cowl? J Clough</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dtmartino@troubleshooter.com=20
href=3D"mailto:tmartino@troubleshooter.com">Tom Martino</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dreflector@www.tvbf.org=20
href=3D"mailto:reflector@www.tvbf.org">reflector@www.tvbf.org</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 16, 2003 =
8:07=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: REFLECTOR: fire =
warning (was=20
explosion)</DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thank God the general =
public=20
doesn=92t ready these postings!<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes"> =20
</SPAN><SPAN class=3DGramE>A window in the firewall to see a =
fire?</SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Are we going=20
mad?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It sounds as if =
Velocities are=20
flying time bombs just waiting to burst into flames.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Come on ... <SPAN=20
class=3DGramE>lets</SPAN> get real.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We should put all of our =
efforts=20
into preventing fires to begin with, <SPAN class=3DGramE>then</SPAN> =
we should=20
explore realistic detection equipment that won=92t require peaking =
through a=20
freekin window behind the back seat.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I can jus imagine how =
that window=20
will go over with my passengers:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">=93<SPAN =
class=3DGramE>Tom,</SPAN>=20
isn=92t that nice a rear window!=94<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Oh that, I put it there =
to spot=20
flames in the engine compartment.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">After fire detection, =
perhaps a=20
fire suppression system would be in =
order.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Are Velocities that =
prone to=20
fire?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Are we =
exaggerating?<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Back on the topic of a =
window ...=20
ever see your oven glass when smoke and fire actually erupt in the =
oven.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It goes black from=20
soot.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have to believe that =
there are=20
other modifications we can do besides a fire=20
window.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
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