REFLECTOR:Moving the non-flying Velocity

Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:01:30 -0700

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Just went to the garage and measured my Std FG which I think is the same =
fuselage as the 173, it's 12 feet firewall to nose - maybe an inch or =
two longer difficult to tell exactly.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: alventures=20
  To: reflector@tvbf.org=20
  Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:35 AM
  Subject: RE: REFLECTOR:Moving the non-flying Velocity

  Firewall to nose is very close to 12 ft; the sweep-back of the strakes =
adds about 6".  Add height of trailer; then see if you can find info on =
lowest overpass on your route.

  These numbers are for a std elite, but I believe are the same for the =
173: could be your spar is a bit wider.

  Width of wing spar is 11' 9", so setting vertically on edge gains =
about 9".  Setting at a 45 degree angle give you about 8 =BD' high and =
wide.  69 degrees from horizontal cuts the width in half.  Limits may =
vary place to place, but 105" (8' 9") wide comes to mind; is that right?

  Considering the possibility of moving my airframe (Southern Cal.) a =
while back I checked with Caltrans, Highway patrol, sheriff, etc; and =
got transferred around a lot and got conflicting information.  Finally a =
highway patrol officer told me  'put it on a trailer, go early Sunday =
morning, stay off the main roads as much as you can'.  Seemed like a =
good approach to me.  Of course this was for a local 15 mile trip.  3500 =
miles across state lines and two countries probably requires more =
planning.

  Al

  Good thoughts I may have to do that ...thanx....but I think from the =
nose to the firewall (without the cowling) is only about 13 feet(?) or =
less isn't it?... I do not know for sure...all the manuals etc are in =
the hangar .   I have only one or two days to get this thing loaded up =
and the hangar emptied and to get on the road ...Ready to get this thing =
flying after 10 years!   =20

  >> >Ok...I give up....I will never complete my Velocity 173 RG as long =
as it=20
  > >is in a hangar in Colorado and I live in Alaska...soooooo...I am =
going=20
  > >down to put it on trailer and truck it 3500 miles to my house here =
in=20
  > >AK.......wide load and all...I am wondering...if I gut it and =
remove the=20
  > >engine and mount if I can move it like a rocket on the launch pad =
in an=20
  > >upright position.....was thinking of building a 'box' out of 2x10 =
lumber=20
  > >to 'mount' on the firewall engine mount holes and setting the =
Velocity=20
  > >fuselage upright on that and strapping the 'box' and gear down to =
the=20
  > >trailer for the long haul..thus no wide load problems....
  > >   Does anyone have any idea if the firewall can take the stresses =
of this=20
  > > road trip? I BELIEVE it can but do not know.... Moving it ..one =
way or=20
  > > the other,   THANX    Jeff Clough
  >=20
  > If you think making 3500 miles as a wide load is hard, imagine 3500 =
miles=20
  > without being able to go through an underpass.
  >=20
  > Make your box, but bolt it to one side of the main spar.  The wing =
attach=20
  > points are the second strongest points on the airplane.  Make a =
cradle for=20
  > the nose (attach to the canard attach points) and put it on the =
trailer=20
  > sideways, nose forward but rolled 90 degrees to the side.  That way =
you're=20
  > only 14' tall, not 20'.  =20
  > Visit the gallery!  tvbf:jamaicangoose

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just went to the garage and measured my =
Std FG=20
which I think is the same fuselage as the 173, it's 12 feet firewall to =
nose -=20
maybe an inch or two longer difficult to tell exactly.</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=3Dalventures@msn.com =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 15, 2003 =
7:35=20
AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: REFLECTOR:Moving =
the=20
  non-flying Velocity</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Firewall =
to nose is=20
  very close to 12 ft; the sweep-back of the strakes adds about =
6&#8221;.&nbsp; Add=20
  height of trailer; then see if you can find info on lowest overpass on =
your=20
  route.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
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Verdana"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">These =
numbers are=20
  for a std elite, but I believe are the same for the 173: could be your =
spar is=20
  a bit wider.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Width of =
wing spar=20
  is 11&#8217; 9&#8221;, so setting vertically on edge gains about =
9&#8221;.&nbsp; Setting at a 45=20
  degree angle give you about 8 =BD&#8217; high and wide.&nbsp; 69 =
degrees from=20
  horizontal cuts the width in half.&nbsp; Limits may vary place to =
place, but=20
  105&#8221; (8&#8217; 9&#8221;) wide comes to mind; is that =
right?</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Verdana">Considering the=20
  possibility of moving my airframe (</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DVerdana =
color=3Dblue=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Southern=20
  Cal.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">) a while =
back I=20
  checked with Caltrans, Highway patrol, sheriff, etc; and got =
transferred=20
  around a lot and got conflicting information.&nbsp; Finally a highway =
patrol=20
  officer told me &nbsp;&#8216;put it on a trailer, go early Sunday =
morning, stay off=20
  the main roads as much as you can&#8217;.&nbsp; Seemed like a good =
approach to=20
  me.&nbsp; Of course this was for a local 15 mile trip. &nbsp;3500 =
miles across=20
  state lines and two countries probably requires more=20
  planning.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Verdana"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
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  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Verdana">Al</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <DIV>
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  color=3Dblack size=3D4><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Good=20
  thoughts</SPAN></FONT></U></B></STRONG><STRONG><B><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblack=20
  size=3D4><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> I=20
  may have to do that&nbsp;...thanx....but I think from the nose to the =
firewall=20
  (without the cowling) is only about 13 feet(?) or less isn't =
it?...&nbsp;I do=20
  not know for sure...all the manuals etc are in the hangar =
.&nbsp;&nbsp; I have=20
  only one&nbsp;or two days to get this thing loaded up and the hangar =
emptied=20
  and to get on the road ...Ready to get this thing flying after 10=20
  years!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
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  color=3Dblack size=3D4><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&gt;&gt; =

&gt;Ok...I give up....I will never complete my Velocity 173 RG as long =
as it=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; =
FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <FONT=20
 face=3DArial>&gt; &gt;is in a =
hangar in=20
 Colorado and I live in Alaska...soooooo...I am going=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&gt; &gt;down to put it on trailer and =
truck it=20
 3500 miles to my house here in =
 <FONT=20
 face=3DArial>&gt; &gt;AK.......wide =
load and=20
 all...I am wondering...if I gut it and remove the=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&gt; &gt;engine and mount if I can move =
it like a=20
 rocket on the launch pad in an =
 <FONT=20
 face=3DArial>&gt; &gt;upright =
position.....was=20
 thinking of building a 'box' out of 2x10 lumber=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&gt; &gt;to 'mount' on the firewall =
engine mount=20
 holes and setting the Velocity =
 <FONT=20
 face=3DArial>&gt; &gt;fuselage =
upright on that=20
 and strapping the 'box' and gear down to the=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&gt; &gt;trailer for the long haul..thus =
no wide=20
 load problems.... <FONT=20
 face=3DArial>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Does anyone=20
 have any idea if the firewall can take the stresses of this=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&gt; &gt; road trip? I BELIEVE it can but =
do not=20
 know.... Moving it ..one way or=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&gt; &gt; the other,&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
 THANX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Jeff=20
 Clough <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&gt;=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&gt; If you think making 3500 miles as a =
wide load=20
 is hard, imagine 3500 miles =
 <FONT=20
 face=3DArial>&gt; without being =
able to go=20
 through an underpass. <FONT=20
 face=3DArial>&gt;=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&gt; Make your box, but bolt it to one =
side of the=20
 main spar.&nbsp; The wing attach=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&gt; points are the second strongest =
points on the=20
 airplane.&nbsp; Make a cradle for=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&gt; the nose (attach to the canard =
attach points)=20
 and put it on the trailer =
 <FONT=20
 face=3DArial>&gt; sideways, nose =
forward but=20
 rolled 90 degrees to the side.&nbsp; That way you're=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&gt; only 14' tall, not 20'.&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&gt; Visit the gallery!&nbsp;=20
 =
tvbf:jamaicangoose</DIV>=
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