Alan, you gave Jeff Rose's phone number as 615-622-8825. The area code has been changed to 931, but it still don't work. Has he moved?? Or has anybody else got his phone number or address??? Thanks.. Ex-Army helicopter pilot, came in 2nd place SE Asia war games. Some what competent in Rotorway's. Hey, any body can fly a fixed wing!! Better than most, good as the rest! 173 FG 180 Bill